i'm joined by robert reich, former secretary of labor under president bill clinton. now professor of public policy at uc berkeley and author of "beyond outrage." i don't know how far beyond outrage you can get than this, mr. reich. can there be little doubt that this will go down as one of the most obstructive congresses ever, including what we're going through right now, which is more than ludicrous, is just ridiculous. >> one has to look very far into history to find a congress that is at least as unproductive, as sort of paralyzed as this congress. i would say, basically, back to the 1940s. harry truman had a congress that he accused as being a do-nothing congress. well, the 112th congress just ending is probably worse. >> and that's searching through history with a keen eye. let's not forget last year's debt ceiling debacle, which president obama has vowed never to repeat. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way